Transform Your Life with Expert Communication Tips and Techniques from Larry Wilson

Speaker 1: 0:02

I think that everything in this life that's worth having begins with communication.

Speaker 2: 0:11

All right, folks, Welcome back to Transacting Value, where we're encouraging dialogue from different perspectives to unite over shared values. Our theme for season four is intrinsic values what your character is doing when you look yourself in the mirror. Now, if you're new to the podcast, welcome, And if you're a continuing listener, welcome back. Today we're talking our May core values of unity, honor and mental toughness And, in addition, our second mini series for this year and this particular season, called Socializing Value. So, how do you communicate? How do you put your values, your character, into something that enables not only your personal growth but the people around you? This particular conversation. You might consider that effective or intentional communication perhaps, but we'll get to that in just a second. Today we're talking to the essentially most effective communicator and facilitator of these lessons from over four decades in the entertainment industry. He's a communication expert, a comedy magician, host of the podcast How to Talk to Humans, most recently, and also founder of the Wilson method, which we'll dive into shortly as well, Larry Wilson. So, folks, without further ado, I'm Porter, I'm your host and this is Transacting Value. Larry, how are you?

Speaker 1: 1:28

Good. Thank you very much for having me. It's a very interesting show, man, it's a very, very interesting show.

Speaker 2: 1:35

It's definitely been a huge point of growth and simultaneously contention for me as an individual talking through some of these things And, more importantly, i think, trying to find ways to more to your forte, intentionally communicate, right, i don't know. Call it a half hour to have some sort of substantial conversation about growth and character or resiliency or whatever values might apply, and we're basically strangers.

Speaker 1: 2:04

Well, let me start by saying what I should really be saving for the very end. Okay, sure, because you put it so interestingly, and I think that people listening to this podcast should keep in mind what you just said about how much doing this podcast has contributed to your own growth. Sure, i think that may be at the core of really expert communication. What do you mean? Well, the more effectively you can communicate, the more you get out of life, the more you find you've just discovered or maybe it's an ongoing discovery that there's personal growth for yourself by doing this podcast, and I think it's a metaphor for our lives that when we interact with other people, the more clearly we can communicate, and in Wilson method that's kind of our penultimate goal is clarity. That's what I'm always aiming for. I want you to communicate in a way that makes it impossible to misunderstand what your message is, and when you do that, you will then find this is not guaranteed. It's not everyone, but a lot of people will rise to the occasion to meet you And suddenly you start finding things that you didn't know about yourself and you find the kind of personal growth that you're talking about. That really should be the button at the end of this broadcast, but because you brought it up, i didn't want to let it go by without saying it. I have a bias, of course. I think that everything in this life that's worth having begins with communication.

Speaker 2: 3:55

Definitely I'm right alongside you, and just for everybody listening and for, i suppose, to your point more specifically, some clarity in this conversation as a contextual baseline. I don't think now we're exclusively talking about communication in a public setting, only with other people. How you talk to yourself counts for a lot, if not more in most cases too, of course.

Speaker 1: 4:19

I mean, i'll give you. It's funny because you said baseline, i'll give you a baseline for us to begin with. Last year I saw an interview with Warren Buffett on television. You know the world's most successful investor, the billionaire investor, and the interviewer was saying to him what advice can you give to young entrepreneurs? And he said, without missing a beat. He didn't hesitate for a second. He said oh, i can tell you something right now that can increase your value by at least 50% immediately. And I was like oh, i want to hear what this is. Yeah, of course. And he said improve your communication skills, both written and verbal. Okay, he said it doesn't matter how much brain power you have, if you cannot transmit it. It's like winking at a girl in the dark. Nothing happens. I read that Yep, which is? I mean, it's already hysterically funny that he said that. I love that. He said that, but he couldn't be more correct that it's something that anyone can do. I'm going to tell you right now, in this 20, 30 minutes, you and I have to talk. I'm going to give people who are listening some things they can do right now, today, and it just straight out of Wilson method. But nothing I teach is complicated, nothing's hard to understand, it's all simple, it's all easy to do And it works. Anyone?

Speaker 2: 5:57

can do it. I suppose that would defeat the point if it wasn't clear.

Speaker 1: 6:01

Well, it depends. If I wanted to start my own cult and you know there's a few of those out there If I wanted to be a guru and have people worship and adore me, you'll notice that there's some people out there whose message is sometimes it sounds intriguing, it may even sound meaningful, but it's complicated And it's sometimes hard to fathom exactly what it is about. This is the work of somebody who's trying to build a following of devotees. I Don't want a following of devotees. I Have a fantasy of a world where people's communication gets better and better because Rising tide lifts all boats.

Speaker 2: 6:53

All right. Well, larry, let me ask you this then, along that same vein, i suppose you say better, but better implies a comparison to something right. you can't be better, i suppose, technically from nothing. so Better compared to what?

Speaker 1: 7:08

Oh, the easiest answer is better compared to the baseline today. I Think maybe 20 or 30 years ago Some of the things I teach would have seemed so commonplace and obvious It wouldn't have made any sense. Okay but I think in the last 20 or 30 years, especially with the advent of digital technology, i think a lot of people's communication skills have deteriorated to an alarming degree.

Speaker 2: 7:37

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Speaker 1: 8:40

In the last 20 or 30 years, especially with the advent of digital technology, i think a lot of people's communication skills have deteriorated to an alarming degree, and I know that you must see this now. Your military Right, and I know that the military does not suffer fools. So you better get yourself squared away in the military. And when you communicate, it better be clear. So you may be used to a higher standard It's possible, but I think the general standard nowadays is very poor. And When you see people on social media, when you talk to them on the phone, when you interact with people, maybe in a situation that calls for Customer service or something like that, you see how Unclear their communication is. I mean, i'll give you the most obvious example. What is? and this, this is something that your people can do right now. I talked sometimes in Wilson math about three C's, that is, connect, convey. Hey, i want you to be able to connect with people Before you set a word, so that you can convey whatever your message may be and Create authentic bonds, because those last forever. Now, when you say connect without saying words, some people think, oh, this is crazy. It's not crazy at all. It's very simple. You may notice, i'm looking directly into the camera. Yeah. I'm making eye contact with you, even though you and I are not in the same room, sure, but in all our interactions I Contact is entry-level, educational, and I know you have the experience of interacting with people, especially young people, who can't look you in the eye. Yeah. And it's scary, it seems so obvious.

Speaker 2: 10:41

Well, yes and no. I mean if it's never explained or it's never experienced, is no longer obvious to the audience. You know what I mean. It's just new and so no knock on any backgrounds or cultures or sort of social upbringings. But If you don't explicitly start some sort of awareness around, in this case, how to effectively communicate or more effectively communicate Involving whichever audience, is that to your point? looking somebody in the eye might be simple, might be common sense application of that sort of courtesy and respect and vulnerability in some cases. But if you don't ever establish it and then allow communication to happen without those types of I Guess we'll call them courtesies and customs that then maybe you just don't notice because it's not your normal you know what.

Speaker 1: 11:31

You are absolutely right, and I guess this is my fault because you're you are right. And if someone doesn't know and hasn't been shown and Hasn't had any examples showing them, they may be so used to holding their phone and just doing this. You know? yeah, sure, i mean I'll tell you this funny I was hired by a professor at MIT. Alan Oppenheim Wanted me to come there to work with some of the grad students to improve their communication skills. Okay, because he said these people are all geniuses but they're really bad communicators. And so I came and did this three-day event. It was fantastic and it was really great, but at one point, like the last day, i spoke maybe for four hours, going over a bunch of stuff, and then I thought, well, that's it, we wrapped it up. Thank you very much. They wouldn't let me go. They kind of mob me. They had more questions and they were so open. They were so obviously people who were really Excited about learning things. And this group of guys maybe four or five guys, you know guys in there, they must be in their 20s or something They said we want you to solve this argument We're having. I said, okay, i'll try it, whatever it is. They said what would you say is the maximum number of Texts it's appropriate to look at on a first date?

Speaker 2: 12:57

This is the Tootsie Pop debate. How many looks to the center of a tootsie pop?

Speaker 1: 13:01

you know Sure right, and so I said I said, well, it depends on whether you want a second date. There you go. How hungry are you? Yeah, i said if you want a second date, then the answer is zero and they If you've never heard of they said but, but I said but nothing. When you're on a date, the idea is you're trying to get to know somebody, and a lot of the information that we exchange In our personal interactions is semiotic. It's not spoken Some of its body language, but there's a million other things. When a girl walks into a crowded room, she has a ponytail and she whips her head around and that ponytail sort of swings through there. That's the signaling device, now, what it means. It could be a lot of different things, but it's clearly meant to get people's attention. This is just a simple, obvious example. There's a million things that we do like this. I said if you're on a date with someone and you answer a text, you might have just had a colonoscopy And you're worried that you might have terrible news from a doctor and that's why you want to see the text. That might be the truth, but the semiotic message that you're sending to the person you're with is I'm hoping this is a better offer on the phone.

Speaker 2: 14:22

Yeah, or something more important to me than you?

Speaker 1: 14:24

Yeah, and so no good, no good.

Speaker 2: 14:29

No, no, definitely not. And that brings to light, though, this intentional communication aspect and how to effectively communicate your intentions, i guess is a better way to phrase that, and Even if it's unwitting, right, in my opinion and in my experience personally, professionally, whatever you attempt to communicate Verbally or otherwise, like whatever you want to convey to somebody else is gonna come out, almost no matter what words you use.

Speaker 1: 14:57

You know yes, well, you're setting me up. We're setting me up with a underhand softball pitch here, because Another thing I talk about in Wilson Method are 3Ds to determine, define and deploy. I want you to determine what your goal is in this communication Before you begin. Hmm. Now again, it may seem so obvious, may seem so simple, but, like you just said, your message is gonna come out one way or another. If you don't consciously think about what your goal is, then you're shooting from the hip, and people who shoot from the hip are gunslingers, and gunslingers die young Only the good ones. I don't want you to have so much more success in these communications. And sometimes it's as simple as determining, stopping and taking a moment, thinking what am I trying to do here? I should say the other Ds are. Then you want to define the means of communication, because you and I are on Zoom here. Well, that's one. We're going to use certain skills. You know, we talked a moment ago about making eye contact with a camera. It's really hard to do because it feels unnatural And also because that unblinking cyclopian eye of the camera feels like it's judging us.

Speaker 2: 16:28

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Speaker 1: 18:01

You know we talked a moment ago about making eye contact with a camera. It's really hard to do because it feels unnatural and also because that unblinking cyclopian eye of the camera feels like it's judging us, it's looking at us and it never looks away. It's a very natural thing to want to make these micro avoidance movements where you sort of turn your head. That's what I was going to bring up. Oh, that's my job is to try to anticipate where you're going. All right, i'll cross it off. Well, no, truthfully, it's unconsciously. It's our desire to try and escape from this judgment line. I'll give your people a technique that's so simple here. Take a photograph of something. Could be someone you know, could be family member or a loved one, could be someone famous you don't know movie star or a rock and roll person who you really admire, could be anything like this. Cut a hole in one of the eyes and mount that on your laptop or desktop or your phone so that the camera lens is behind the hole in their eye. So when you look at that picture, you're looking into the eye of this person. That kind of brings up certain feelings you have, but it's really connecting you to the camera. If you do that for a couple of weeks, you'll notice. Not only will you notice immediately improvement in your eye contact, but in a week or two you'll find you don't need that picture. You feel much more comfortable. You realize that the idea is you're trying to connect with that person on the other side.

Speaker 2: 19:48

Okay, i do have two points to that, where you had mentioned initially that and I'm paraphrasing, but to a certain degree that there's a level of ownership and sort of active effort it's going to take to communicate intentionally and effectively. But as simple as it might seem point number one simple is really scary, because what am I missing? Everything else seems so complicated, or at least in my experience, everything else did seem so complicated. I was especially growing up really I don't know if antisocial is the right word I just didn't notice that social anything existed. I was in my own bubble, growing up in my own head, right, and just sort of floating through this current, i guess, of life in general. But trying to understand and interpret and then convey and communicate with other people just didn't even register to me as being necessary until it was. And then eventually I found myself in Afghanistan or other countries where people didn't speak the same languages. But we're partner forces. So how do you convey a certain level of either survival on one extreme or just it's time for dinner on the other end, and we can relax and take our boots off, so to speak? or actually take our boots off, i guess, but without?

Speaker 1: 21:03

words, though this is great, you just put your finger on it. Obviously, dinner is more elaborate, but let's go back to when you first meet these people. You don't speak their language. They speak a Pashto, or Yeah, or Dari, or whatever, or do yeah, right, right, and maybe you don't speak a word of it. What did you do to connect with them? I?

Speaker 2: 21:27

hold my hand out. I'm a huge proponent of just starting with a greeting, and then we can move into some semblance of small talk, whatever that translates to, and where it goes.

Speaker 1: 21:38

If we're again, we talk about defining the means, if we're there in person with them, where you can reach your hand out, i think it's fantastic. The thing that we can always do, even if we're on video, is to smile And it seems again such a simple, easy thing to do. But of course it isn't always that easy to do. If you're in a situation that's stressful, that you may be unfamiliar with, it's hard to do. I'll tell you a funny story, because over the course of my performing career I was working a lot in Las Vegas, in Lake Tahoe, in Reno, atlantic City. I'd be opening for big superstars. I'd only work like an hour a night, so I had plenty of time to get into mischief on my own. So I would wind up a lot of time playing poker in these places And a couple of times really great players would take pity on me and pull me aside and give me tips and pointers and explain stuff. One time there was a guy I think it was at the Bellagio in Vegas Now I don't know. I was told he was an FBI interrogator. He certainly had that demeanor about it And I saw him in one hand with another guy And they started raising and people were dropping out And there were so many chips in this pot My friend from Kentucky would say a show dog couldn't jump over it. I mean, it was giant, right, it was huge. And this opponent of this guy, on the very last bet, pushed all in And this guy who's supposedly this interrogator, he stopped and he thought and he kept talking to the other guy and he's gone. God, i'm having trouble believing that. You made the hand You're. I mean, are you trying to tell me? you caught the nut And he's talking to seemed like a long time. After about three minutes he said okay, i call. And the other guy threw his cards in the muck. He folded his hand. So the interrogator won the hand scooped in the pot. When he got up to leave the table I chased after him. I said you've got to tell me what that was about. And the guy said oh, you didn't see what happened. I said no, i didn't see anything. He said oh, I was trying to get that guy to smile. He said when your smile is authentic, it's symmetrical, it's even. When you're faking a smile, it's lopsided and uneven. And he said that's why I kept talking. And eventually that guy gave me this lopsided, crazy smile. So I knew he was bluffing. I called him and I thought oh, oh, my God. Well, we can't harness that authentic smile easily. I don't want you to be an actor, i don't want you to be a faker, but if you're in a situation let's say you're in Afghanistan and you're dealing with people you don't think of something, whether it's an experience or a person, or a meal, or a holiday or something. Think of something that has good connotations to you, because it will show on your face.

Speaker 2: 24:58

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Speaker 1: 26:10

Think of something, whether it's an experience or a person, or a meal or a holiday or something. Think of something that has good connotations to it, because it will show on your face. It'll show when you smile. I have to say, your idea of reaching out your hand is the same kind of thing. Without saying a word, you're communicating your openness, your friendliness. You're clearly not the adversary.

Speaker 2: 26:50

I think there's sort of two aspects to that concept. To feel like you're being judged, like you're in a vulnerable position, let's call it as an example. That you're being judged is, i guess, perspective and perspective at the same time. Right, nobody, chances are very high. Nobody's actually judging you. In fact, in my opinion, in my experience, chances are also very high nobody notices you, let alone is judging you. I agree, i agree, 100%, yeah, and so to feel that level of discretion or maybe animosity on an extreme end, or just judgment, i found is usually more in our own interpretations of the scenario or of the situation, right. So to overcome those kinds of things is one benefit, I think, to just experiential learning and growth as a person, or trying to stand by or align more with, say, your values or being authentic to your point. But the flip side benefit to that is, i think it also becomes easier to identify when you're being an asshole to somebody else unwittingly, or when you're coming across in a way that maybe you didn't intend. You can start to see it and read other people like oh, that's not actually how I intended this, i'm sorry, or thank you, or whatever the response is.

Speaker 1: 28:10

Hey, well, you just said the world's greatest apology, which is I'm sorry. don't add any qualifiers, i'm sorry, but or I'm sorry if you understood it. No, just I'm sorry Because you're 100% correct. That fear that we're being judged I think my experience, it almost always is coming from inside us And I think that if you understand that, if you think about it, you'll find it starts to dissipate your fear, if you realize oh, it's not the other people who are gonna be judging me. they're so worried what I'm gonna think about them. they don't have time to think about me Usually Usually now, there are obviously always exceptions to these cases but when you think about that, you can feel a lot of the weight evaporate off your shoulders. Oh, nobody's looking at me. they're worried what I think about them. Well, like you just said, you can take the initiative and not be the asshole. you can be the person who reaches out with their hand first and says oh hi, even if they don't speak your language, if you're smiling and open, then their immediate reaction is oh, this person isn't dangerous, this person isn't out to do anything bad to me, and I think immediately. then your communication proceeds in an extremely positive way, like you say, as opposed to inadvertently treating someone in a way that you don't really wanna be treated yourself.

Speaker 2: 29:55

Yeah, yeah. Well, that brings up a great, i guess, conversational gait. So this is a segment of the show called Developing, character Developing. Character And for everybody listening. this is two questions for you, Larry, totally from your perspective, based on your experience, but it's rooted in two different times of your life, two different phases, I guess, of your life. So this first question, I wanna dive a little bit more into you and your perspective. So what were some of your values as a teenager, growing up?

Speaker 1: 30:27

Well, i know that I felt I mean, maybe this is very common as a teenager. Your teenagers have a tendency to think they know everything And I suspect I was very guilty of that. But I also felt that there were people in this world who connected with other people with greater ease than I did And I was drawn to those people. I wasn't necessarily that conscious of it, but looking back on it, when you asked me this question, i can feel as a teenager I felt like I wanted very much to master those skills that those people were able to do. I didn't understand what those skills were, but I could see certain people who could do it.

Speaker 2: 31:16

Okay, so let me move you to the present, then. I assume now you've continued throughout your life to move that direction and you've accomplished, in my opinion, a fair amount of success in that endeavor. So what are some of your values now then, how you've applied those things and how you sort of stand behind that.

Speaker 1: 31:33

Well, it's a question worthy of another hour's worth of talk, but trying to encapsulate it, trying to make it into a digestible bite here, i'll tell you about one time I was in Flint, michigan, to do a show. I was at some club. I was there for a few days and I performed for a couple of nights already And it was during the day and I was in some fast food joint and I was irritable, i don't know why. And the people in front of me, they were having trouble with their orders, taking forever, and I just thought these people in Flint, they're idiots. And then one of them turned around and looked at me and said, oh, you're that magic guy. And I said oh yeah. They said we saw you last night, you're fantastic. So immediately my opinion about them changed. But I had a really interesting epiphany in that moment. I've never forgotten this. I thought, oh, that's what I'm trying to do with all this communication stuff. I'm just trying to connect with everyone in the world so that wherever I go, they're friends. And you know, certainly I'm not trying to put you on the spot, because I have nothing but the greatest respect for you and I thank you for your service. I think what you do is extremely important and dangerous and the people who do it with you I hold in the highest regard. And at the same time I mean I want to be realistic. I know that there's people in the world who may wish to do us harm And we're dependent on people like you to protect us. And if I had my choice, i would hope that that time will never come when you're forced into that conflict. That's what I hope, but I realize that it may happen And so I know that in my head. You know it's funny when you asked me before about what I'm hoping for communication or what I'd like to do. I guess the other reason I think of wanting everyone's communication to get better is I have an idea, when you ask my values, that if only we all communicate better, if we only all make somehow an extra effort to be unbelievably clear in our communication, that we might see that all of us are part of the same kind of human beings. And I know that may sound some, it may sound naive, because I know there's people who, for whatever reason, they're always going to be people with all kinds of different problems who are looking for a fight. But I think if we can fight as our last resort, if we can try to see the humanity in each other before we resort to fighting, it might be better for all of us.

Speaker 2: 34:46

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Speaker 1: 35:41

If we can try to see the humanity in each other before we resort to fighting, it might be better for all of us.

Speaker 2: 35:51

There's a reason and my interpretation may be wrong, but I'm pretty confident I'm not alone. There's a reason why on the back of every dollar bill the eagle looks to the olive branch instead of the arrows, but everybody's fully aware that he's carrying both. I think that's sort of an important aspect, whether it's just going around the world in any capacity in terms of defense or diplomacy or economy or entertainment or whatever applies, academia or whatever. But it hasn't changed. It's not just specific to the US either. for everybody listening, i'm not saying that the US is the only country or its relative sort of ambassadors are the only people where this applies. But there's a certain mutual respect when you start to identify that even the puppy dog has teeth, sort of metaphor that you're like well, maybe I'll just let him eat and I'll play with him after, and that carries a lot. I think it was. I'm probably going to butcher this. Quotes aren't my strong suit, but I'm pretty sure it was George Orwell who said something to the effect of men sleep peaceably at night because good men stand ready to do evil on their behalf.

Speaker 1: 36:58

Well, you're very close to it. You've made it actually. You've toned it down. I think the quote is it's because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf.

Speaker 2: 37:10

Okay, touche, that sounds more right.

Speaker 1: 37:13

Right. I don't think he considered it evil, i think he considered it necessary. And I think you're right. You know it's interesting. That's a fantastic metaphor you mentioned about the dollar bill. You know all of branch in one hand and the arrows in the other. And it's also interesting, you know, when you said you're not saying that the United States is the only one. no, of course not, but I think it's worth noting that. I think the United States is one of the few places where everyone in the world wants to come to.

Speaker 2: 37:48

It certainly counts for something.

Speaker 1: 37:50

They don't want to come from every corner of the world to this country because it's so terrible here. It's not to suggest that everything we do is perfect, but this incredible experiment of this country, of these freedoms for everyone, for everyone. This is when you grow up here, when you live here and grow up here. You may not realize how different it is in other countries, and so it's important to remember. I think that there's a reason why everyone wants to come here.

Speaker 2: 38:25

It definitely takes some reflection and a little bit of travel, but a lot of better reflection, i think, to be able to pull that. And what's cool now is you can do it in video games, you can do it through computer games or digital games, let's call it. You can do it through social media online. That it gives you the opportunity to socialize. And you know the funny thing this is probably another time in conversation which I'm happy to have if you're willing, enabled and interested, but I appreciate that. But I think the funny thing is it was the same thing, at least in my case, 30 years ago, reading books with the librarian. It transports you somewhere else and it gives you the opportunity to learn new perspectives and whatever. And now it's basically the same thing. It's just digitized. It's not books, it's video games, characters and avatars. But you're transported somewhere else and you can see how other people react and interact and perspectives and growth and whatnot. But ideally, in my opinion, all of those means go to the same ends where, as long as you're able to identify and increase some awareness, maybe even critical thought, as to how what you're seeing can be applied to your life more positively, then it really doesn't matter how many different perspectives we have coming together. Divisive or otherwise, opposing or otherwise, mutual respect is still possible and communication is still necessary. So what's the point of being assholes? Just work together.

Speaker 1: 39:51

I couldn't have put it better myself. I agree with you 100%, and I even go so far as to say that that mutual respect, i think, comes from good communication.

Speaker 2: 40:05

I think it has to.

Speaker 1: 40:06

If you don't know what's going on with these other people, or if you're so emotional or overwrought or whatever that you aren't able to communicate what's really going on your mind, then they may not know what's going on with you, And that's why I think it is so important. I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2: 40:24

Well, if that's not the mic drop or the pin in whatever the expressions are, I don't know what is. I think that ties up everything we've been discussing absolutely wonderfully. Larry, if anybody wants to get in touch with you, find out more about the Wilson method, maybe even if you're still taking bookings, come out to some of your shows. How do people get in touch with you and find out more about you?

Speaker 1: 40:45

They can always get in touch with me. You can always drop me an email at Larry, at Wilson method calm, because I read every single one and You know what. Let's do something else that I hadn't planned to do, but let's do this. I'm gonna torture my poor IT guy, so put up a special page for your people. If you just go to the Wilson method calm, that's regular landing page tells a lot of stuff that I'm doing. But if you go to, we'll make it the Wilson method calm, forward, slash TV P. If you go to that the Wilson method calm, slash TV P I'm gonna have him put up some free stuff that you may find extremely useful and more information about. It's funny. I do a two-day boot camp training for people who are serious about taking their communication at the level. I call it boot camp because, like a military boot camp, i make you do things. I don't just tell you about them. Once you learn them, i put you through paces so that you really have a feeling of what the experience feels like. But there'll be other stuff on there. I'm about to roll out online training for Wilson method. There'll be a ton of stuff there.

Speaker 2: 42:08

That'd be cool. I really appreciate it, of course. Yeah, that'd be cool. I can't wait to see what you put on there for everybody listening. That was news to me too, so I appreciate that. But, saying that and also for the sake of time for everybody listening, larry's email and the link to his website, those will all be in the show notes. So, depending on the platform you're playing this conversation on, to listen, click, see more, click, show more, something to that effect for the description of the Conversation, and that's where you'll be able to find those links. Now, to close this out, i really appreciate you guys tuning in and listening to our core values for May of unity, honor and mental toughness, obviously to our mini series now called socializing value for this particular month of May. I'd also like to think I suppose even directly Alan Oppenheim and Larry, everybody who's been in your career this point for Experiences and being able to draw on all of those things, obviously to develop the Wilson method, but to just influence this conversation. I think it was super cool and, in fact, the biggest downside is we only had a little bit of time to talk about it. So again, that's his life, that's it. That's it. Say love me. So in the future, yeah, i'd love to have you back to talk some more, but for right now, thank you for your time. Pleasure to everybody else. I'd be remiss if I didn't also thank our show partners keystone farmers, market, hoof and clucker farms, and obviously both sprout for your distribution. But, folks, if you're interested in joining our conversation or you want to discover our other interviews, check out transactingvaluepodcastcom, follow along on our social media. But we continue to stream new interviews every Monday, 9 am Eastern Standard Time on all your favorite podcasting platforms. But until next time, that was transacting value.