Bold Faith Leads Scotty Hettinger to Charlie 22 Outdoors

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Welcome to Transacting Value, where we talk about practical applications for instigating self-worth when dealing with each other and even within ourselves, when we foster a podcast listening experience that lets you hear the power of a value system for managing burnout, establishing boundaries, fostering community and finding identity.

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My name is Josh Porthouse, I'm your host and we are redefining sovereignty of character.

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What is it about our value systems that help us get unstuck when our identities and our roles in society no longer match?

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More importantly, what do we do when our values don't either?

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See, sometimes we get so ingrained into thinking one way that we don't realize it's inauthentic to ourselves and, unfortunately, in some cases, especially in the DoD, that causes things like veteran suicide, domestic assault, domestic abuse and a host of other issues.

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On today's conversation, we're talking to the founder of the nonprofit Charlie 22 Outdoors, scotty Hettinger, all about what it means to help rehabilitate yourself and your team Without further ado.

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I'm Porter, I'm your host and this is Transacting Value.

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Scotty, what's up man?

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How you doing, josh?

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How are you?

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I'm doing well, I'm doing real well.

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Listen, I appreciate you taking some time out of your evening your central time, I'm pretty sure, right, sir?

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Yeah, missouri, yeah, yeah, okay, so early evening at least.

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But I appreciate you taking some time out of your day so we could sit down and talk.

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You've got such a cool, cool story.

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I mean, across the board you've got well you know what?

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I'm not going to tell your story.

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You came here for a reason.

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How about this?

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Take a couple minutes and let's just explain to everybody who are you, when are you from?

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You know what sort of things have shaped your perspective on life.

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Well, my name is Scotty Hedinger.

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I am in Missouri.

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A little bit about me.

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I'm married with three children and five grandkids.

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We kids we actually married our youngest daughter off to a young male on July 7th this year.

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So we're two nesters now and we live in Missouri.

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As I said, We've been married 22, 22, 22 years.

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I've got to count backwards 22 years now.

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But when you remember me, my dad was a career soldier in the Army.

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He passed away when I was 15 from leukemia, my first 15 years of my life.

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I had 25 addresses yeah, 25 different addresses in 15 years.

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He passed away when I was 15 and I went on to graduate high school.

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I got a basketball scholarship to play in college.

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I was paralyzed in a car accident in 1990 as a sophomore.

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I was a teacher for 15 years in a high school system in South Missouri, Retired in 2011.

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And did this type of thing that I'm doing now for another organization and left that group in 2016.

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And in 2017, Charlie Tutu was founded, and here we are completing our seventh complete year.

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Congratulations Across the board.

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Well, thank you for saying that.

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It's been a real blessing to do what I do and meet the people I get to meet and talk to and places I get to go and get to see.

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It's really humbling to say that Blessing and humbling at the same time.

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Yeah, yeah, I imagine it is.

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And then on top of that you said a car accident, I'm assuming 19, 20 years old.

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No, I was 19 when I was paralyzed.

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I turned 22 months later the car accident and what happened was we were close to the end of the semester that year, my sophomore year, my first semester of my sophomore year, and finals were coming up a week later and I went to a party with my buddy who was a soccer player at the school, and you know, just celebrate the end of the semester and I woke up in the hospital and I was told I was paralyzed.

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And back story is we were drinking and he was driving my car and hit a parked car head on and I had whiplash in my cervical fourth and fifth vertebrae which paralyzed me from my neck to tongue and I couldn't talk, I couldn't breathe, I couldn't move anything.

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I was paralyzed from my hands, apples and apples and it was tough.

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The fourth day of being in the hospital they came in the same day the doctors and nurses were checking my vials and stuff.

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My body stabilized so I didn't have to have surgery and we ended up having 15 and a half hours of surgery.

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It was 34 years ago this year, november, so 15 hours of surgery within a 15 and a half hour surgery it was 34 years ago this year, november, so 15 hour surgery.

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What they did is they took two ribs on my right side of my back, the floating ribs, and they are now wired in my neck with three wires in my cervical three and four, third, fourth and fifth vertebrae.

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What Stabilized my neck?

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Yeah, that's how they did it back then.

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It was pretty incredible.

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They took those floating ribs out and literally placed them side on my neck on both sides and wired them together Like this stuff and made you a splint.

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Yeah, exactly so.

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That was in November, 34 years ago.

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And then, about a month later, less than a month later, I was sent to Craig Rehabilitation in Denver, colorado, and I got there.

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By that time I could talk A little in Denver, colorado, and I got there.

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By that time I could talk.

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I had a ventilator, they would plug the vent so I could speak and I began breathing more on my own.

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And I remember that process.

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It would go 10 seconds with no ventilator, and then 20, and then 30, and then a minute.

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And I tell you what, josh, those were some long seconds sitting there trying to take that first breath in.

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That was the key getting that breath in.

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And if I could do that, then I could exhale the air.

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And the first time I went to a minute.

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You're just counting down, you know thinking am I getting ready to pass out?

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Am I going to be able to get this breath in?

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And then it happened.

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And then, with the two minutes and the five minutes and ten minutes and so on, and then about three weeks into the process, my shoulders began to move from there a little bit and laying there in bed, pregnant my shoulders up and down much as I possibly could, and my biceps started to move a little bit, went out there.

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And I'll never forget the very first night I'm there, they walked in the room and the vent tube of my throat was like the size of a quarter and they took that thing out, put this little bitty pencil thing on my neck and said this is what we're going to work with.

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I'm like, wow, getting ready to cut my air down, and it was probably one of the best things I've ever done, because then it forced my body to really work on that breathing in and breathing out, because when you're paralyzed like I am, I know you can't see, see me very well.

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I'm literally paralyzed from my chest down, now right from a right below my sternum.

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Yeah, there you go, yeah, and um, I can't move my triceps or my fingers, so my diaphragm is still paralyzed and that's a big part of breathing in and out, yeah.

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So my body had to recompensate and learn how to do that without diaphragm control, and I was blessed to be able to do that.

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So I spent six months there and I came back home and you talk about being emotional.

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I apologize in advance.

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Okay, oh, you're fine.

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No, please.

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I turned 20 out in Colorado.

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I had friends that came and visited me from Missouri and when I got back home, what stuck out to me was the fact my life had been put on pause.

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All my friends' lives had been gone, and I did not expect that.

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When I got back home, they were probably waiting on me.

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I didn't think their way, but I didn't realize the extent of that time I got back home, they had all moved on, uh huh.

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Oh man, I'll tell you it was.

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It floored me.

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I couldn't drive.

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I was a hundred percent dependent on everything.

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Some got engaged, some were graduating college, some moved on in careers and mine came to a screeching halt.

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And I came back home and I faced that reality because, being a college athlete, I was used to that workout.

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You know where you wore yourself out.

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You were.

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You worked up to the point that physically it was just drained okay, and I enjoyed that, really enjoyed that.

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So I hired a personal trainer to come to my parents' house that first summer and went to drive.

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Again, I could barely move my arms when I came back home I was so weak.

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I came back to the house and he said I don't know how somebody paralyzed.

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I said that's why I'm hiring you.

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I want you to work me out like I'm not paralyzed.

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I'd get into the pool and I would swim back and forth you know my back with the life jacket on.

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And that was a funny process there too, because I wanted to get my core where I can use my core.

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You get me in the pool, you turn me face down on the water.

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I would find myself back.

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Oh, that was the goal.

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And if I couldn't do it, I would just go limp in the walk, I just and that was the signal.

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That was probably the smartest decision.

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One of the best ones I ever made when I was first coming back home was hiring him because in a matter of three or four months.

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I went from you know a hard time moving my arms, pushing, pushing my chair I was in a manual chair back then down the road two, three miles and pushing back to the house.

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Really, oh yeah, it was in the country out there where my parents live.

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I can't mistake.

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The first time I did that because the first part of that trip was downhill all the way.

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I knew it was.

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I didn't realize how hard it was to come back.

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So I came back up and it was a two and a half hour.

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It was literally two and a half three hours.

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Those were all things that I did because I knew to get where I wanted to be was going to take that effort.

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I did not want to be where I couldn't function and be independent.

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I wanted to be independent the best that I could be.

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And then, January of 92, I got my first vehicle, my first van.

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So you do drive, no, yeah, I got my first vehicle, my first van, so you do drive.

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No, yeah, I've been back up.

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That was 93.

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I didn't drive for almost two and a half years, yeah, so let's go back to my friends again.

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You're blowing my mind here.

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So you're saying you didn't drive for almost two and a half years, sort of like you know that was a long time, yeah, but like you were paralyzed.

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So really it's surprising that you're even able to drive today.

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You know that was 30 years.

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Like it only took you two to three years to be able to drive again.

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That's huge.

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Whenever I went somewhere, it was a friend or a family member taking me.

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Yeah, required transferring me in and out of the vehicle.

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Now I'm 6'4", 225.

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Back then I'm probably about 180.

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I lost so much weight, but you still have to maneuver getting me in and out of the car.

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Okay, so that wasn't easy, we did it.

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And to be able to drive independently, I wasn't going to be in a manual chair, I had to be able to get up a ramp into my van.

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And remember, without triceps or hand movements, just imagine pushing the wheelchair wheels with the palms of your hand and trying to grab it against you going backwards.

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Yeah, no fingers, so no fingers exactly.

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Yeah.

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And I'll never forget that first time I got up there, my uncle came to visit me from Oklahoma.

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We went outside and I just felt strong enough to do this.

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I pushed up that ramp by myself and I knew then OK, I will be able to do this.

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We went outside and I just felt strong enough to do this.

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I pushed up that ramp by myself and I knew then okay, I will be able to do this.

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My friend still came and went.

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My girlfriend and I, we broke up and I'll never forget, before I drove, one of the best conversations I had with one of my best friends.

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I'm telling you, I was really struggling emotionally and mentally with my condition, but he knew my frustration.

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He said to me what do you want us to do?

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I said to him you know what?

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Not a damn thing.

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That's what I, that's what I want, and that set me on a pace to become independent as possible.

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So, matt, were you angry?

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or were you?

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I was, were you like trying to push yourself, or what was the impetus for that?

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What angle were you coming from?

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I was mad at my situation and I was mad that they had all got to move on and I couldn't.

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I wasn't mad at them, I was mad at the situation I put myself into.

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That accident was awful.

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So then, when I got that viewpoint that I don't want them to do anything for me this needs to be me doing this that's when I really began to see the progression of the work.

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And finally, in January of 93, I got that van and I tell you what it changed.

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Everything.

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I bet yeah, I mean it just did.

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I went full time in college, I drove, we began to date again.

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I always knew there was a plan for me, god, a plan for me.

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I didn't know what the plan was.

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I knew it was going to be in some capacity of helping people.

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Maybe it was teaching my story to kids, you know, keeping them from my situation.

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So when I originally was in college, I wanted to be a physical therapist and I kind of threw that out the window.

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He said that last semester in 1994, and I've been invited I've been asked to go do a commercial for seatbelts and I chose my old gymnasium where I played basketball.

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I had to do the commercial then.

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So that's interesting.

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I still remember today was me sitting there and you don't see the chair.

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You hear the basketball bounce, the basketball bounce.

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You hear me talking in the background.

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I said something like all kids dream about playing in the NBA.

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I was no different.

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And then it showed highlights of me playing and dunking the ball and all those things video of my high school career and putting it in this commercial.

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Then you hear this click, click, click the seatbelt three times.

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Now my dream has changed.

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I just want to walk again.

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And it shows me in the chair, the seatbelt on me, holding me in the chair.

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It was a great, great PSA.

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So went down to the principal's office and went in his office and I said what do you think about me coaching basketball?

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What do you mean?

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I said, do you think I can do it in this chair?

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And he said Scott, how many guys do you see coaching right now in college NBA?

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They can't play anymore yeah he's right.

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I knew right then I wanted to be a coach.

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I went the next day to the college and I said the fastest way for me to be able to coach basketball is what I mean.

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It's the social studies teacher.

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I said sign me up.

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This is, this is the honest to God truth.

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This happened.

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So I left there after that meeting with that principal at that commercial, and I thought, God, if I need a coach, give me a sign.

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And I kid you not.

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I got a phone call that night from a lady here in Joplin asking me to come coach their home school junior high high school boys basketball teams and the high school girls basketball team.

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They didn't know who I was.

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They didn't know what had happened an hour earlier.

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They had no clue in my mind I'm thinking about coaching.

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So I got that phone call an electric, clear sign it up for 15 years.

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Let me retire 2011 let me ask you.

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So, first off again, I I don't understand how many times I can say congratulations before it sounds ingenuine, but I'd still mean it.

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Uh, I think that's a huge accomplishment to for one to be a coach of anything.

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I think for especially an enduring amount of time is a huge accomplishment because you've got to deal with so many different, conflicting personalities, especially in high school and junior high.

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They don't even know their own personalities and you got to juggle all that on top of your own doubts and your own self-image and any high schoolers being high schoolers.

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I'm curious because I saw on your website Charlie 22 outdoors.

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It's not Charlie 22 indoors.

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What was your appeal?

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Obviously, physical activity makes a difference.

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My wife and I she's an amazing woman.

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I just got to say that real quick.

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I am maybe the most blessed man on earth with who I was able to marry.

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She's incredible.

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So we knew each other as kids and when I first moved to Missouri my dad was having leukemia and her cousin and I became good friends.

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So going through high school we were really close, him and I were, so I saw her off and on and then never really dated.

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He wouldn't let her date me because I was kind of a turd back then.

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But we bumped into each other in 2001.

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I was buying a rental property that my parents owned.

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I went to the moving office, the public office up there, the Carthage, and I see her walk in.

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She didn't see me, but I saw her walk in and I kid you not and this is going to sound cliche but I, my gosh, she is just beautiful and she walked on by me down to the back of the building, never saw me.

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She came back and she saw me and she came back and I kind of saw her for a minute.

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So I was going to see if she would respond to me and she did.

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She began talking right then and we went on a date two and I knew within a couple, two, three months I was in love with her and then we got married.

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After they got married I hadn't hunted when I was a kid, some with my dad.

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That was kind of his outlet.

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He told me to fish or hunt.

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I felt this desire to hunt again.

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I didn't even know what it was.

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I don't know if it was a connection to my father, I don't know what it was, but I wanted to hunt with.

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And I decided one day to go over to Bass Pro.

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The main headquarters of Bass Pro is in Springfield, about an hour from where I live.

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So I went over there and looked around over there and all their stuff was the same way, nothing I could really use or too expensive, and if that's true, over there there's a huge.

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So I went along and watched the fishermen.

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In the reflection in the aquarium I saw this guy go flying by me in a wheelchair, a power chair.

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I could tell by looking at him.

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Hey, he looks a lot like me.

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I chased him down and I said to the guy and it's probably a weird question but do you have hunt every year?

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Why?

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I said how, what do you do?

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I said everything I see is $1,000, $2,000.

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He said I had this rack built from my chair.

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I was printing it by my buddy, who I live, that's cool we built it back home.

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We had it built by a local machinist.

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We literally took scrap metal out of their trash bin, their bin right there in their shop, and the next day it was done $25.

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Winter it was done.

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That winter I borrowed my uncle's property and in Missouri you can actually hunt out of the van or out of the vehicle with a disability.

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I had that permit.

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So I went to his property and I borrowed his gun and I got me a deer.

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That year I told my wife I'm doing this.

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That was great.

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I found something that was physical, that I could do.

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That required real physical effort to accomplish and be successful with it.

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And I found it and it wasn't easy and I really, really really took to that because it was a challenge to figure it out.

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So I did and I went and bought some equipment and I've done it ever since.

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So that's where the outdoor part comes into play was that year in 2003.

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Well, so then, what I also saw, charlie 22 was the company Battalion Brigade that your father served in.

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And so what is the draw towards that unit?

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What's the appeal?

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So you're part of the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

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You see it on TV about kids with almost an assault room.

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Yep, yep, kitchen realization is the outdoor world for that?

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Oh, you have to make a kitchen for this.

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Okay, cool.

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And I met the president of that group in February.

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I worked that year and Friday before Labor Day weekend, I'm told this.

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So on Monday, labor Day weekend, I set up a dove hunt for my daughter because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to hunt with her ever again.

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And I knew right then.

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I'm alive for a reason.

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I think I'm a good husband and a father, but it's a bigger purpose.

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I don't know what it is why I'm still around, but it's a bigger purpose.

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God's got a plan for me.

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My body was just drained.

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It was just like the energy was just gone, and I went to church October 7th I believe in 2017, and I preached on Joshua 1.9, and it said this is my command be strong and courageous, don't be afraid of discourage, for the Lord, your God, will be with you wherever you go.

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And I knew right then.

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I just knew I'm doing this.

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I just why am I not doing this?

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I've got a passion for it.

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I don't want to take it out on them, but I'm good at it because I love what I do and I call.

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I've got three guys in mind Curtis King AT Stock, russ Wickman.

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Those are the three guys that I want to approach about this ministry.

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So I call Curtis, who's a retired Green Beret.

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I call him and tell him I want to do this ministry for me Easy, out and go, because I know in my own experience hunting and fishing is very therapeutic.

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Just being out there in that environment of creation, just as very for the soul, it's just good.

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So I go to bed that night, I'm going to talk to Curtis the next morning and I wake up in the shower and it just hits Charlie 2-2 outdoors.

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Because you probably know this already, in the United States there's the term 22 a day and that refers to 22 suicides amongst our veterans and soldiers every day.

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Studies are saying it's higher than that, but that's the number everybody uses, 22 a day.

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So R is the 22 a day because of the 2-2.

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And then also R is my father, because when I was a kid in Leonardwood, when I was five, six, seven years old, he was a drill instructor for Charlie Company, 2nd Battalion, 2nd Brigade and, as I said a minute ago, when soldiers and vets hear that name, they get it.

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That's military something.

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What's it about?

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Civilians have to ask, what's that mean?

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I gotta tell them what that means, so they understand that now too.

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When soldiers and vets hear that name, they get it.

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That's military stuff.

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That's what it is about.

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Civilians They have to ask and don't know what that means.

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I got to tell them what that means so they understand that now too.

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So it's really a pretty cool way of using that name.

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You know something else interesting too you and your dad both made professions out of being coaches.

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I think that's kind of interesting too.

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Maybe apparently it's in your genes.

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You're coaches.

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I think that's kind of interesting too.

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Maybe apparently it's in your genes.

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You're exactly right, it was a different.

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He was working for coaching soldiers.

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Right, I was coaching basketball players and uh.

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But you're right, it's teaching people how to do their job, or doing what I'm doing well, I think, yeah, at the forefront it is, but yeah, it may be.

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how to perform, say physically in any particular sense, but emotionally, mentally, how to align, say physically in any particular sense, but emotionally, mentally, how to align your identity with what you're doing and you know mind, muscle memory and recognition and autonomy and independence, obviously, courage and integrity and teamwork.

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Speaking of teamwork, that gets lost, especially when you leave the military.

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I guess you're on a team, right?

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You've got a family, you've got a support network in most cases or something to that effect, you and your dog maybe, but it's not usually actually just you, but it feels that way.

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And I think there's a lot of organizations that talk about, like you mentioned, 22 a day or suicidal ideations, but that's not where everybody goes.

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That's more the extreme end of where most people could go.

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There's not the same degree of purpose and clarity when it's rooted and defined by you taking care of a team and you come second.

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But when that reprioritizes after your contract, after your retirement, whatever happens and changes after a divorce in some cases, the identity crisis sets in.

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You buy a motorcycle, you go skydiving, you go do crazy stuff to try to fill a void that you don't know who you are anymore.

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How do you guys, or how do you, recommend instigating that and filling that positively, how do you?

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You said it's a ministry.

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I mean, how do you advise towards that as a consideration?

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So you're hitting the nail on the head.

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I have just countless times.

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I don't have anymore.

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Yeah, perfect.

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I want to go back to the ministry founding, because our first event was in January 2018.

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Yeah, so we founded in 17,.

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This event was in 18.

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I'll never forget this and it was key that it was one of the first things we did, because the story that I heard really hit home with me.

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Okay, so this vet comes to our event and at the conclusion of the event, he tells me this.

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He says Scott, in October I retired after 33 years in the military 33 years and he said I have no idea my purpose.

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Do I have a purpose anymore?

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What am I going to do with myself?

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This thought has given me direction and purpose again.

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He said you think about it.

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Every decision in my life has been made for me, he said.

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I graduated high school 33 years ago and I was in boot camp a week later.

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In school, party bells would ring on wherever it needed to be.

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There was dress code.

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I ate the school lunch.

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The coach told me what he just told me.

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I'm in boot camp a week later and ever since then, the instructors and the officers the DIs and the officers told me what to do, where to go, when to go, what to wear all those things.

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Even my food was given to me by that he goes.

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I have zero idea how to be a soldier, zero.

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And he was suicidal there.

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Tennessee's there for the two or three months, yeah, until the G8, until the.

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That hit home with me Right then I realized, wow, I never really thought of it that way.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And you probably you know what I mean.

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You leave the military.

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You said a minute ago the team is gone.

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You had a bond with the soldiers.

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You worked with the service back.

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They're still doing what you were doing.

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They still are in service or they may be retiring as well.

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And when you wake up tomorrow, what are you going to?

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do.

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Yeah Well, that's it.

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That's exactly what happened to me.

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I just got off my active contract last year and I stared at a wall for two weeks.

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I was like I didn't know anything when to get up, what to wear, what to do, what to say, how to perceive the world.

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But there's so much professional development, regardless of branch, when you transition out of the military as a retiree separation medically or otherwise doesn't matter.

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Everybody goes through this transition assistance program and it's meant for professional development.

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Where the deficit exists is personal development, and I think that's where some of these issues that you're alluding to fall as gaps in that identity and character development.

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And I think what you're doing, or at least what you're providing, acknowledges that opportunity and encourages that fulfillment and empowers that sort of discovery.

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What about rewiring, or maybe even reconditioning?

00:27:54.729 --> 00:27:58.613
Because it sounds like you've had to for a few reasons, a few times, but you just mentioned it.

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Right, like you're 18 years old, you join the DOD, let's say, as an example, or you're a military child.

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You never do, but you get that sort of exposure, right.

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18 years old graduate, your brain's still forming how to think and act and perceive the world and make your own independent decisions, still forming how to think and act and perceive the world and make your own independent decisions.

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And in that window, the final, what would you call it?

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Six, seven years of neurological development.

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You're still not thinking for yourself.

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And so is it really that much of a shock that six to eight years, to 33 years later, you don't know how Well?

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You never learned, you never had the opportunity, and so you got to reteach and rewire and recondition your thoughts, just like you did when you first ended up in a wheelchair, and then it sounds like subsequently, three or four more times since then for you.

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How do you work through that process?

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I think it may be a bit different for everybody, but like what are the generic steps to try to get the traction and move the train?

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If I could use that, we would conduct an amazing example of how we go about things.

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The ministry is not trying to provide a hunting or fishing experience for a veteran, or a spouse retreat or whatever.

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Those are what draws us together.

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Okay, we learned very quickly years ago that you understand this and I don't, Josh.

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Veterans and soldiers can relate to each other in ways that civilians can't relate to them.

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I think so.

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So when they come to one of our events, we have veterans there intentionally from previous events for them to meet, or people who are still serving, and that bond automatically is formed.

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When a person arrives to one of our events, says I'm a Marine or I'm in the Navy or I'm retired or whatever, when did you serve that?

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Right there, the connection is established and then the activity takes place.

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Whether it's hunting deer or turkey, or catching a fish or whatever it is, it's all treated together for a reason.

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A dead fish or whatever it is, it's all treated together for a reason.

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We want to show that there's God's grace still on everybody, whether you serve or didn't serve, where you've been or not.

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I hear a lot.

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How can I be forgiven for what I've seen, where I've been, what I've done?

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How can I be forgiven for that?

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No, you don't learn that that was something that Christ did for us 2,000 years ago.

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We know we're not curing PTSD.

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We know we're not curing anxiety.

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We're not curing any of those things.

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What we're trying to do is show our guests there's a way to face those things.

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So dark times do come.

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You got somebody you can turn to in another corner and then, if it's not me, it's AJ, or it's Russ, or it's Marilyn or it's Barbara.

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Whoever it is, you can turn to them and they'll be there for you and help you get through what you're going through.

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Sometimes it's as simple as one thing we do at all of our events is we give out challenge coins to our guests and it has our logo on it and it has our verse on it, it has different branches of the military on it, and so on.

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They're really, really nice challenge coins.

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They really are.

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We didn't spare any expense on them.

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We give them to our guests, letting them know whenever the dark times do come, just grab your coin and throw them in your corner.

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And I actually got a photograph today sent to me by one of our members, and that's the way the veterans sang I need prayer today, think today and we talk today.

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That's what it is.

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It's a photograph of a coin in our hand or on their table.

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That's just their way of saying please help me do this.

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And a text back to them is as simple as what do you need?

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I'm praying for it, I'm in for it, and I think when a vet knows, knows, somebody still cares and is there.

00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:40.464
That may be all it needs for that one, that day or that moment to get them through them.

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Once, the next day coming up, and when they realize people still care for them and they're still alive, they have god's grace, then they can start thinking about hey, my purpose now isn't yeah, that is cool.

00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:58.840
I think once you find ways to remind somebody that there is still structure, there is still a team, it just looks different than what you're used to.

00:31:59.544 --> 00:32:02.028
Yeah exactly, yeah, spot on.

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Then they go home and they think about how can I share the other vets what I was just given this last weekend?

00:32:10.352 --> 00:32:26.246
I got a phone call earlier today from a vet we had at an event last year who was thinking about a really cool idea about starting a garage with three bays in it where he can work in two bays to make money and a third bay is there for vets to come and work on their vehicles at no expense.

00:32:26.566 --> 00:32:27.547
Oh, that's cool, Great idea.

00:32:27.666 --> 00:32:37.553
Yeah, it's his way now of sharing what he's got talents in showing grace to veterans that need it at his ports.

00:32:37.553 --> 00:32:38.453
Yeah.

00:32:38.453 --> 00:32:40.035
So, it doesn't have to be hunting and fishing.

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You find your talent, whether it's we do horse therapy now we do knife making, we do couples retreats, so there doesn't have to be hunting and fishing.

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There's other ways of getting to people and showing them.

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There's still a reason, you still got a purpose and it just looks different and let's find out what it is.

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All right, folks, sit tight and we'll be right back on Transacting Value.

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com.

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There's still a reason, you still got a purpose and it just looks different, and let's find out what it is.

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Or realigning your identity with your role even is understanding that there's a certain initial common reference point for every individual's character development, and I think that's what gets rooted into a value system as individuals.

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And so to be able to say I don't know who I want to become, I don't know who I want to grow into.

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I don't know who I'm going to grow into or what my character is going to look like at that point, but I know the qualities that he's going to have are going to be inclusive of these particular adjectives.

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These values helps.

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And you can root that directly into whatever aspect of service or past life you used to have in that identity and say, well, when I was serving or when I was teaching or when I was coaching or when I was doing whatever, when I was serving or when I was teaching or when I was coaching or when I was doing whatever, I did that because I enjoyed duty or honor or sacrifice or courage or commitment or fill in the blank.

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But you can still have those.

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You just exemplify them in a little bit different arena.

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Because you can't bring a 240 into a Walmart.

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You can't bring an AR or a radio system in a pack 12 kilometers to get to the grocery store.

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It just doesn't fit the same environment anymore.

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So neither can you.

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But all the skill sets could you know the communication, the artistry, the humanities, the social sciences, like you said when you became a basketball coach.

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Not every coach can play like they used to, but you can still have an impact and an influence, and I think that's huge, man.

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Everything that you've been describing sounds like it's directly well correlated with what you've done throughout your entire life to this point, and it sounds like especially from what I can see on your website it's exactly what you're continuing to inspire and instigate for other people.

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I have a question for you, or really two, real quick.

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This is a segment of the show called Developing character Developing character.

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It's really in your own words.

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I'm going to tie the two questions together for the sake of time, but in your case, what were some of the values that you were raised on?

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And then, if any have changed, what are some of your values now?

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Well, being the son of a drill sergeant, you can imagine the discipline that we had in the home.

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Yeah, and times have definitely changed the way people raise kids and I don't want to compare the two.

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But back then you did what you were told to do and if you didn't, there were consequences and living on base.

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Back then, if we got kicked out of this the neighbors I'd be down the road doing something dumb, not getting in trouble with that father or mother or that soldier or whoever was in that house or in the yard and saw me doing it and grabbed on my ear to my back to my house being spanked the whole way, and get there and then tell my mom and my dad what I'd done.

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I got it again from them.

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So you know, I was still a kid, made dumb choices, obviously, but discipline was something I learned to that household.

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And then we use the word hard, and I mean work.

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I mean work hard, read hard, pray hard, love hard, serve hard.

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Whatever you do, do it hard, meaning give your all.

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Whatever that moment is, give your all.

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And when I was in high school, when my dad died, my high school coach became my father figure and he was the same way Do what you're going to do and do it.

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Give your all to it.

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Whether it's basketball, whether it's being a boyfriend or a husband in the future, or raising or being a father you don't care what it is, just do it hard.

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That's probably what's stuck with me ever since I was a kid.

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That probably goes back to the part where I was seeing the fruits of my therapy when I was working out that did it hard as I possibly could, and then they probably changed.

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I've gotten older is serving others, because when I was in high school I was serving my playing basketball and girls and parties.

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I think that's serving myself.

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It was all about me.

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And then when I got in the college and move on to the teaching and coaching and how I'm doing now, I viewed that as serving other people and putting them first and my family put my own family first, put their needs before mine.

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So that's probably the biggest change.

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I still do try to do what I'm doing hard, meaning all that I have.

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But I also have changed now where before it was about me, to my other folks in my household, in my church and with Charlie 22 Outdoors too.

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I think that's where we are now.

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It's the change.

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Yeah, that's super cool.

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And then obviously, getting that conveyed to other people to sort of pay it forward, I think inherently gives people purpose.

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If for no other reason, then it buys them time so they can figure it out on their own.

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But by giving somebody an opportunity to help somebody else, even if it's temporary, it's purpose and yeah, that's powerful.

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My last two questions for you One of all of these experiences and I really now, after hearing your entire story, I feel almost kind of dumb asking this but how have all of these experiences actually helped you to instigate your own self-worth and your own sense of self?

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Because obviously you view yourself differently now.

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I did an interview it would be two, two summers ago.

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And the last question the guy asked me, which was probably one of the most powerful questions I've ever been asked, he said what did you learn about yourself with RA22?

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And it just.

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How do I thought about that and how do I have really thought about myself in that capacity?

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What did I learn about myself since I've been doing this and I've been thinking about it for a few minutes and can I answer?

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The big question you just asked me is when and I've been thinking about it for a few minutes Can I answer.

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The big question you just asked me is when I put others first, and really put them first, and I seek God's grace in doing so and then get out of my own way.

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Long enough, good things will happen, and what I mean by that is yes, I know that I'm serving other people, yes, I know that we're trying to show people their self-worth their purpose and so on, but it can't be about my personal agenda.

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It's got to be about them first and showing grace.

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Whatever it is we're doing, and that seems to be the formula that I see that works.

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The mission doesn't say to show or doesn't say to go hunt deer and turkey and catch fish.

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That's not what it says.

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We have a mission that says to show a hope and a love and personal meaning that comes out of God's grace.

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I don't care what we're doing.

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That's the mission.

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It will be successful because if we do that and keep that personal agenda, we're always going to keep others in our focus, before ourselves, and we'll keep their personal agenda out of the out of the, the formula, out of the mix, and it's going to resonate with people that we're trying to help.

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That's what I learned about myself is that putting others first, with that mission mission in mind, leads to success.

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And when I'm gone, they keep doing the same way.

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It's going to continue to be successful with new people.

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Man, congratulations.

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I don't even know another word to say, man.

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That's such a powerful realization to have and I think it's fair to say that not a lot of people have it and certainly not a lot of people have it more than once in their lives.

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And the amount of moments that somehow you've either come across on your own or pieces you've put together from advice you've either come across on your own or pieces you've put together from advice you've gotten from other people.

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You've been able to do it multiple times.

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You really are inspiring in what you've accomplished, in how you've been able to do it, in what you've decided to do with it and, all things considered at least from what it sounds like what you're actually enabling other people to do, to pay forward as well as a sort of third generation of coaching and teaching and mentoring and guiding and empowering.

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It's just super cool, man, and I really appreciate the opportunity to showcase some of your story.

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But for whatever I can't encompass, namely 45 years in an hour, where do people go?

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How do they find out about you?

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Or Charlie 22 Outdoors, or find you on other shows, whatever they want when do people go?

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Well, I like to say this before I answer that question We've all got our roles, josh, and getting the word out is a key role and you're doing that.

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So whenever we do an event last week we had our banquet and I told everybody there the family is how we battle the PTSD, the anxiety, the suicide it takes a family.

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It's not a Scott Hellinger thing, it's a Charley 22 family thing, and your role is doing what we're doing now getting the word out.

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So thank you for that.

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But to reach me or reach us simple is to go to our website, charlie22outdoorscom, and go to the contact page and you'll find me right there.

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Go to our Facebook page.

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It's the same thing, charlie22.

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And I say charlie22 because of the way it's phrased when I was a kid, but if you look us up, it's literally charlie22outdoors Facebook, instagram.

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We're on Twitter I guess it's called X now and you have our website, which is charlie22outdoors.

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com.

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They call me, they email me, they can text me, they can message me through social media.

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There's many, many ways to get a hold of me and I promise everybody this this is as true as it was seven years ago and it's the same thing today and it'll continue to be.

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Whenever I get a message through a text or an email or a voicemail, you're going to get a reply.

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It's a hundred percent.

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If you just call me, hang up, I don't get anything, I'm not going to, you know I'm not going to call back.

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But if you send me a voicemail or a text or a way of talking to me.

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You're going to get a reply.

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So how do they want to get ahold of me?

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Whether it's through those social media outlets, or through email or phone call or whatever it is, they will get a response.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Rising ties raise all ships, they say whoever they are, I'm sure they still say it.

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Yeah, I love it.

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For anybody who's new to the show, depending on the platform you're streaming this conversation on, click see more or show more, and in the dropdown description, that's where you'll see links to Scotty's website, social, and you'll be able to reach out and get in touch with him there as well.

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I know you've got plans this evening.

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I know you've got a life to get back to.

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You spent so much time, effort and energy crafting it.

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I don't want to take it all from you now in this conversation.

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So I appreciate it again so much being able to showcase your story, your insight, your advice and, obviously, what you're doing for veterans, their families, their spheres of influence with Charlie 22 Outdoors.

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I really do just appreciate your time.

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So thanks for coming on the show.

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Thank you, and I hope I've alluded to this.

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But when somebody supports us with what they're able to support us with I don't care if it's financial, prayer or what we're doing right now that motivates and humbles me both, because that to me means that what we're doing in your mind makes a difference.

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And how can I not be motivated by that?

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If somebody writes us a check, they want to see it go forward.

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If somebody emails me, they want to see it go forward.

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If somebody interviews me, like they're doing right now, they want to see it go forward.

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So thank you for that, because, I said, it motivates and humbles me more.

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I appreciate that.

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Yeah, I appreciate that Values still hold value, man.

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